
Brené and Adam Grant on Empathy vs. Enmeshment
From The Curiosity Shop with Brené Brown and Adam Grant
Published 10/8/2025
In the fourth episode of a special “Dare to Lead” series with Adam Grant, Brené and Adam explore the attack on empathy, the difference between cognitive empathy and affective empathy, and what separates empathy from enmeshment. Brené shares a personal story that led to a breakthrough around how to…







